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Post by bethdolin on Jan 15, 2016 3:53:39 GMT
In order to solve poverty, we first have to get rid of the huge gap between the high and low class. The 1% holds 40% of the national income. This imbalance shows that the redistribution of wealth in America is skewed. The idea that America is the land of equal opportunity is misguided as well. Because of this huge gap, many in poverty don't have the money to afford to attend a college. With tuitions going up all the time, it will be difficult for more people as well as time goes on. The definition of Capitalism is the relationship of capital to labor. However, minimum wage (although it varies slightly depending on what city you are in) is not enough to support a family, most definitely not in this area. In Palo Alto, minimum wage went up to $11/hour. If one works 8 hours a day, 5 days a week at minimum wage, the average income a month is $1760. That isn't even nearly enough to pay for an apartment anywhere in Menlo Park, Redwood City, or Palo Alto. In order to survive an thrive and support your family, the minimum wage needs to increase, and if not increase, then benefits need to be put in place to compensate for the small earnings one receives. You don't necessarily have to go to college to be successful; many of the well known entrepreneurs and business starters and owners did not get higher than a high school diploma. But, people tend to be hired based on their circumstances, not necessarily their character. Take all of us for example; we all live in one of the wealthiest areas in the country. We go to a very good public high school, our parents have good paying jobs. We live in an extremely low crime area, and the likelihood that we all have connections, whether it be to college or a job, is high. These tend to pass as "economic success," basically luck. We are all lucky that our parents worked hard to get to where they are. We are all well off here, and we didn't do anything to get in this position. The same goes for those in poverty. Many are born into it. The amount of money, world experiences, and education vary between each family. So why is it that employers tend to base their criteria on how much of each of those things one has instead of their hard work, character, and virtue? Capitalism is the best kind of government for America, at least right now. However, the government needs to step in in order for the lower class to survive in an economy where everything gets more expensive, but minimum wage does not go up a sufficient amount to cover those costs. The gap is far too big for poverty to simply be "fixed" by the surrounding people. It's time to bring in the government to help.
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Post by anapark on Jan 15, 2016 5:07:13 GMT
I agree. The video on the website revealed the great difference between the reality and the ideal distribution of wealth in America. With the top 1% having an exponentially larger amount of wealth than the lower classes, those who are less fortunate have a harder time trying to get above the poverty line. I agree that it is unfair that the wealthier classes have more opportunities and connections laid out before them when they are born. The power of the wealthy class has been institutionalized. The top 1% are just going to keep on gaining more wealth and the lower classes are increasingly going to have a harder time unless the government increases taxes on the wealthy to pay for education programs and other ways to support jobs. The New Deal welfare programs were not enough of a safety net to prevent the rates of poverty we currently have. Nonetheless, the most effective way to address poverty is to create more jobs. Thus, the private sector including entrepreneurs and start-ups are important to provide opportunities to the less fortunate. Facebook as a company is an example. They are doing a lot to support schools in East Palo Alto.
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Post by jvollrath on Jan 15, 2016 5:29:23 GMT
I believe that no long lasting, true improvement of the issue of poverty will be made by forcing the higher class to help, whether that be through higher taxes or other forms. Instead, I think that the real reform can only be a result of a substantial amount of people genuinely wanting and choosing to take action and help. The problem is, the system of capitalism gives people too much freedom in this situation, resulting in people ignoring the poorer classes of society, yet communism can result in people feeling as though they are forced to help (which won't lead to lasting reform either). However, there is a possibility that if people do follow the communist system, they may develop a genuine desire to help. So, ultimately, it seems as though neither complete capitalism nor complete communism will provide lasting effects for this problem, leading me to believe that an system in the middle may be the best solution.
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Post by kirbyknapp on Jan 15, 2016 5:47:11 GMT
I agree that there is a growing economic gap between the upper and lower classes of America. I think Beth is right that the government should step in and try to construct an economy where poorer people can survive alongside the wealthy. I liked how Beth used numerous local examples such as the minimum wage in Palo Alto and illustrated how it needed to be higher just to pay rent, not even to buy food or clothes or gas or anything else people need on a consistent basis. However, I do agree with Joanna that neither capitalism nor communism is the best system and that we have to find a middle ground that can support both the wealthy and lower class citizens.
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Post by ClintonEastwood on Jan 15, 2016 5:52:38 GMT
I find it confusing as to how you can state "Capitalism is so not the way to address poverty", yet end the post with "Capitalism is the best kind of government for America". Regardless, simply raising the minimum wage will not save impoverished families from being impoverished. Not every minimum wage job is a major fast food conglomerate that can afford to spend money on their workers, and not every person is a poor mother or father working for the family. Many minimum wage jobs are small businesses and restaurants that often cannot feasibly pay for their workers, which over time can create fewer small businesses and opportunities due to not being financially lucrative.
Outside of that, one of the beautiful things about capitalism is that it is a meritocracy, which essentially means that people are rewarded based on their skills, knowledge and abilities. Some are not given as nice a hand as another individual, but you need to look at it from a perspective that people are often given the same bare essentials. Public education is always available, as well as community colleges. Another available path that is often an overlooked part of society is vocational education for jobs such as welders, repairmen, pilots, designers, and many more. I would never say that poor people are inherently lazy, stupid, or worthless to society, but the work one puts in will have a direct output on they are rewarded later in life.
If you haven't seen it before, I would recommend you watch the true story movie "Stand and Deliver", in which one teacher joins a school that is near bankruptcy and takes in a class of poor, underprivileged individuals with a path to nowhere in their near future. The teacher refuses to let them make any excuses and makes them take late hours to learn material for AP Calculus. In the end, the class takes their AP test and each person got a 4 or 5, passing the test, attaining college credit, and giving themselves an opportunity for higher paying jobs and upward mobility. Many other stories such as Ben Carson's rise from one of the dumbest children in his class to being accepted into Yale and becoming an accomplished surgeon. Regardless of if you agree or disagree with his ideas, it is admirable nonetheless.
People are given opportunities based on their value. Poor people or members of minority groups are not useless members of society by any means, but if someone is not qualified to be a doctor, they will not be a doctor. Raising minimum wage can only do so much, but changing education can help people help themselves. One major problem is that some teachers are given a disadvantage by not having the resources or authority to have a productive learning environment. Many poor areas have a mindset that they are stuck where they are and that school is worthless. As a result, a handful of highly disruptive students can, without proper authority to keep them in line, ruin a classroom environment for other students that are willing to learn. "Stand and Deliver", the movie I mentioned above displays a classroom environment just like that, and again, I can't recommend that movie enough.
With capitalism comes meritocracy and the idea of personal responsibility. If someone is not qualified for a job, it only makes sense that the job be given to someone more qualified, and that the value of said job determine their pay.
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Post by colegillespie on Jan 15, 2016 6:35:26 GMT
Mr Eastwood, I think that you bring up some very good points. I too believe that the best way to "fix" poverty is to reform public education. However, I also think that our current system is not providing enough assistance to the less fortunate. It is somewhat of an over-generalization to say that all of those who are unsuccessful simply did not "put in enough work" to be rewarded with a comfortable standard of living. According to estimates made by the CIA, as of 2010, 15.1 % of the American population was living below the poverty line ( www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2046.html). It is hard to chalk up that number to those who did not work hard enough. I believe that while capitalism is a close as we have gotten so far to a "perfect system," some things still need to be addressed. Those who earn ridiculous amounts of money should have some restrictions as to how they spend that money to help out those less fortunate. The success stories that you provided are unquestionably remarkable, but unfortunately, the fact that those "rags to riches" stories are remarkable is because it is rare under the current system for someone to improve their social status a great deal. To fix the issues of poverty, I believe the government should invest more in public education, especially in poorer areas, provide financial assistance to those in need while restricting the spending of those with too much wealth, and make it easier for people to change their social status.
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Post by bethdolin on Jan 15, 2016 6:50:26 GMT
Clinton Eastwood Impersonator:
First of all, a conglomerate is a corporation that holds many disparate businesses, such as a chain of grocery stores, a restaurant, and a shoe store, for example.
Let me restate what I meant. The current way Capitalism is being perceived or acted upon is not the way to solve the problem of poverty in the country. However, the country cannot easily just "flip" political systems. There are changes, or tweaks, that need to be done in order to change and improve the poverty issue that we have, while still having a capitalistic country.
I don't think meritocracy is at all present in America. I think there is underlying white privilege all over the country. With whites being the majority, I believe that things come easier towards them than to others, such as African-Americans or Latin Americans. I think that America still has a lot of room to change it, but I don't believe that all people in this country accept all races as just that; human beings from different places. You say that people are rewarded based on skills, knowledge, and ability, but how can you be so sure of that? How do you know if a woman did not get the same job that the man did, simply because she was a woman? How do you know that all employers base their hirings solely on those three things, and don't make their choice based on ethnicity, age, or gender?
I agree that education needs to be changed as well, but that is a long process. I think that changing minimum wage will at least be a stepping stone to changes in poverty, and then we will be able to change it more permanently through education reforms.
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Post by fionalokey on Jan 15, 2016 7:32:12 GMT
I completely agree Beth. While raising the minimum wage might not solve the long-lasting problems poverty has created, it will at least be, as you said, "a stepping stone" in our national drive to improve the quality of life of our citizens. There is this video of a guy who works at KFC and is a retired veteran. He loves his job, for he gets to see the smiling faces of happy customers and spend his hours making others happy. Should't he receive the wages he deserves? Now a days, kindness seems to be a rarity and those who work hard and are dedicated to bettering the world around them should see that they are making enough to not only survive, but live comfortably. While I'm not arguing that every KFC worker should be earning six-figure salaries, $7.25 is just simply not enough to make a living. Capitalism is great in that it allows individuals to use what opportunities they have and combine them with hard work in order to see success. However, no government or economic system is flawless, and every now and then the two should come together in order to ensure that the majority citizens are able to provide for themselves and their families comfortably. www.businessinsider.com/iraq-veteran-on-why-raise-minimum-wage-2015-11
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Post by Clinton Eastwood on Jan 15, 2016 7:56:16 GMT
In response to Cole, I absolutely understand that the "rags to riches" situations are often rare and not always feasible, but I think you and I both seem to understand that if the quality of public education became more uniform, those stories may be able to be more feasible. Not every public school has the quality of MA, but imagine for a moment a world where everyone has access to the same resources that one can find from MA, even in a public school environment in a marginalized area. Giving people a more level playing field to hone their skills and prepare for life in the work force would seem like a great thing.
If two people go to the same school, take the same classes, but one person gets a 4.0 and the other a 2.0, most people would say the person with the 4.0 deserves to be paid more. This is assuming none of them have any tutors or other wealth-based advantages that, I'm willing to concede, will keep the playing field from being level on some level. Even then, in some cases, simply putting in more time can sometimes work more effectively than a tutor.
Other problems are unfortunately more complicated. I have a friend who happens to me Mexican that has to work a job after school to support the family. Gangs and anti-education values in certain marginalized areas can be a huge setback towards educational values. I wish there was an easy solution, but the easiest and more effective route is education reform.
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Post by Clinton Eastwood on Jan 15, 2016 8:48:32 GMT
In response to your reply, Beth, I am well aware of the meaning of a conglomerate. While I also understand the distinction between what I explained and the correct terming, I simply used it to display size of the organization. I'm sure corporation would have been a better word, but that is just arguing semantics, which can run the risk of sidetracking what a debate's core idea is.
Also, "white supremacy" is not a fair way to describe wage gap issues. Just as there are highly successful black/mexican doctors/businessmen, there are also many white families living in poverty in cities like Detroit currently. Socio-economic background is what is at question, not race. To pin any blame on one group based on skin color would be wrong and distasteful.
Also, I have not seen the video in question that you have referenced, but you claim he is a "retired" veteran, which seems to mean he is working out of pleasure, not out of necessity. But again, for all I know it could be a situation that is different from what I see it could be.
The comment about an employer choosing someone based on gender/ethnicity is an interesting point, but you must also consider the fact that it works in the other direction. It is common knowledge that man universities see applicants that are Mexican/Black and give them a more lenient review than they would a white man. Gender-based bias in the application element to the work force is also highly arbitrary, and for every man choosing he would rather have a man in the office, there is another man or woman who would hold a woman of the same credentials in higher esteem. Sometimes we lose track of how these systems actually work and get too caught up on issues like race and gender.
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Post by Clinton Westwood on Jan 15, 2016 8:55:42 GMT
"man universities?" What about co-ed universities?
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Post by Clinton Eastwood on Jan 15, 2016 8:59:29 GMT
*many universities. Sorry if there was confusion, Westwood.
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Post by Clinton Southwood on Jan 15, 2016 9:00:33 GMT
Also increasing minimum wage would create greater unemployment.
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Post by Clinton Northwood on Jan 15, 2016 9:01:39 GMT
No worries, Eastwood.
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Post by Clinton Eastwood on Jan 15, 2016 9:09:06 GMT
One last thing, Beth. I would like to apologize. I mixed up some parts of your post with Fiona's. My response stays the same in regards to it, but I understand you are not the person who mentioned it.
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